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Subject : NAIP changes..
11/14/2017 08:57:24 PM
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Karen Rogers |
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We've been informed by our BLM State Office remote sensing specialist that the DOI is looking to change NAIP accessibility. Specifically, instead of it being a publicly available resource, they're proposing that it would be a licensed service that would have to be paid for by any party who wanted access to it. We're having a discussion on it now with a guy from the Denver Service Center, and I asked how we can best get our comments of displeasure to DOI. He suggested going through NSGIC. This could take effect as soon as FY19. Has anyone else heard of this? |
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
11/14/2017 09:00:29 PM
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
11/14/2017 10:15:28 PM
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Cheryl Benjamin |
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The link behind "Potential changes" at the beginning of the article go to the PPT used at the FGDC meeting. References to "licensed data model" are found on slides 2, 3, 9 and 10, but to not specify if licenses will be allowable beyond federal agencies. |
Cheryl Benjamin
Street and Address Maintenance Program
NYS Office of Information Technology Services |
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
11/14/2017 10:41:14 PM
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Jim Steil |
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Our office in Mississippi has "no official comment" at this date, but hopes to have something to share after the Geospatial Summit in Kansas City at the end of November. |
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
11/14/2017 11:13:27 PM
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Bert Granberg |
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A couple of clarifications and a little tangential info
NAIP is a USDA program and they are the decision makers. DOI does provide some partner funding to USDA to support the program but they are not calling any shots.
When USDA speaks about moving to a licensed model, they are talking about switching to acquiring a commercial license so USDA can use a third party's imagery (Google? Hexagon? somebody else?) to do their required agricultural program audits (and scrapping the NAIP public domain acquisitions as we know it). This is not their immediate preference but if other federal partners are going to continue to drag their feet on helping fund NAIP, USDA feels like they may need to make a significant change. The gap is currently about 6 million dollars which probably sounds bigger than it is within federal budgets.
The licensed data USDA is exploring as a backup option would be for USDA use only. Others would have to acquire a similar commercial license on their own.
On a separate note, the new GSA CIBORG procurement is expected to allow federal agencies to purchase commercial imagery and other earth observation series products using a host of licensing options (including the one below which is worth a read). But, if the feds can't partner to support NAIP can they pull off an 'all public sector' license to higher res imagery?
So what does Imagery For the Nation (IFTN) look like in 2017?? I'm sure you've got some ideas. My best guess is that it is a combination of a NAIP equivalent for complete rural coverage on a 2 year cycle AND an annual all public sector licensed product (with perpetual rights) for urban areas AND the ability to license most recent satellite imagery (for short term use only) for areas where change is happening fast due to new development, fires and other disasters, etc. Whatever it should be, we should figure this out and advocate for it.
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CIBORG Tier 3 License Definition (draft 11/08/2017)
Tier 3 License (United States Government, State Governments, Tribal
Governments, Local Governments Internal Use Only).
(a) Permitted Uses. Under a Tier 3 License, the Ordering Agency is granted by the Earth
Observation Solutions Contractor all rights provided under the Tier 2a, Tier 2b and Tier 2c
Licenses and a limited, irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, non-transferable license to:
(i) Release, display, or disclose the data or product to Federal, State, Tribal and Local
Governments.
(ii) Authorize Federal, State, Tribal and Local Governments to use, modify, reproduce,
release, perform, display, or disclose the data or product internally.
(iii) Authorize Federal, State, Tribal and Local Governments to release the data or product
to State, Local and Tribal Government support Contractors or academia, only for use on
behalf of or in support of the respective government entity, subject to the support
Contractor or academia agreeing in advance to –
(A)Be bound by the limitations of this GSA BPA License; and
(B)Return the data or product, including all copies, to its contracting agency upon completion
of the contracting requirement.
(iv) Authorize recipients of the data or product to create and release Derivative Products
without restriction.
(b) Prohibited Uses. Under a Tier 3 License, Ordering Agency or any other recipient shall not:
(i) Use or release the Earth Observation Solutions data or products in any manner inconsistent
with subsection (a) without the Earth Observation Solutions Contractor’s prior written consent. |
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
11/29/2017 01:56:36 PM
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
04/26/2018 05:43:46 PM
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Joseph Young |
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Just for the record, many of the foresters in the state utilize NAIP imagery for forestry analytics. Many others in education, surveying and other industries also use this data. If the USDA had a more flexible approach for specifications they might find more partners to help pay for the imagery. I think this might be especially true in states with relatively small agricultural footprints where the full leaf on requirement is necessary. |
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
05/09/2018 04:14:01 PM
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
05/09/2018 04:28:36 PM
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Jim Steil |
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That would be unfortunate. I believe the subscription approach to LandSat use will stifle use and diminish research. While I fully understand the desire to generate revenue to cover the very real costs associated with operations, I can easily foresee a situation where government is inefficiently charging itself to access its own resources. |
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
12/11/2018 08:46:49 AM
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Molly Schar |
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Location: New Orleans, LA |
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Hi, everyone. Happy to report that NAIP language survived conference. Here is what was agreed to in the Farm Bill:
>> "SEC. 12612. NATIONAL AGRICULTURE IMAGERY PROGRAM. (a) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary of Agriculture, acting through the Administrator of the Farm Service Agency, shall carry out a national agriculture imagery program to annually acquire aerial imagery during agricultural growing seasons from the continental United States. (b) DATA.—The aerial imagery acquired under this section shall— (1) consist of high resolution processed digital imagery;(2) be made available in a format that can be provided to Federal, State, and private sector entities; (3) be technologically compatible with geospatial information technology; and (4) be consistent with the standards established by the Federal Geographic Data Committee. (c) SUPPLEMENTAL SATELLITE IMAGERY.—The Secretary of Agriculture may supplement the aerial imagery collected under this section with satellite imagery. (d) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.—There is authorized to be appropriated to carry out this section $23,000,000 for fiscal year 2019 and each fiscal year thereafter." <<
Essentially, the Senate struck all of the House bill language after inserting substitute text. The House agreed to the Senate's amendment.
Big thanks to our private sector partners at MAPPS and their lobbyist for pushing hard on this. |
Molly Schar, Executive Director
National States Geographic Information Council
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
12/11/2018 09:57:57 AM
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Tony Spicci |
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this is great news. NAIP is important to a number of states and the willingness to share is an important indication of the importance and value of a National geospatial community. |
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
12/11/2018 10:17:57 AM
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Andy Rowan |
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
12/11/2018 03:30:04 PM
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Karen Rogers |
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That's an understatement! Talk about an early Christmas present. :-) AND it's the gift that will keep on giving! |
Last Edited On: 12/11/2018 03:33:20 PM By Karen Rogers |
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
12/13/2018 08:30:24 AM
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Dan Ross |
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It is good to see the ongoing appropriation language as well - (d) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.—There is authorized to be appropriated to carry out this section $23,000,000 for fiscal year 2019 and each fiscal year thereafter."
Hopefully future budgets continue to support that. |
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
12/13/2018 10:01:09 AM
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Molly Schar |
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Location: New Orleans, LA |
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Dan, that's an important point - while the program has been authorized, it has not been appropriated. We will need to remain vigilant in our advocacy for appropriate funding levels to be included in approp bills. The authorization is a great step forward since the program has never been authorized before, but NAIP supporters - including NSGIC - will need to weigh in during the annual approp process. This is something to include in NSGIC's advocacy agenda. |
Molly Schar, Executive Director
National States Geographic Information Council
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
12/20/2018 05:27:22 PM
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Philip S. Worrall |
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With the President signing the 2018 Farm Bill today, and the following section on NAIP included in the Bill - is the future of funded and free NAIP a done deal?
SEC. 12612. NATIONAL AGRICULTURE IMAGERY PROGRAM.
(a) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary of Agriculture, acting through
the Administrator of the Farm Service Agency, shall carry out
a national agriculture imagery program to annually acquire aerial
imagery during agricultural growing seasons from the continental
United States.
(b) DATA.—The aerial imagery acquired under this section
shall—
(1) consist of high resolution processed digital imagery;
(2) be made available in a format that can be provided
to Federal, State, and private sector entities;
(3) be technologically compatible with geospatial information
technology; and
(4) be consistent with the standards established by the
Federal Geographic Data Committee.
(c) SUPPLEMENTAL SATELLITE IMAGERY.—The Secretary of Agriculture
may supplement the aerial imagery collected under this
section with satellite imagery.
(d) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.—There is authorized
to be appropriated to carry out this section $23,000,000 for fiscal
year 2019 and each fiscal year thereafter. |
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
12/21/2018 11:52:42 AM
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Andy Rowan |
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Is that a rhetorical question, Phil? :)
"Authorized to be appropriated" is a significant step in the right direction, but it's not the same as "appropriated." My understanding is that the actual appropriation has to happen every year.
So I wouldn't go so far as saying it's a done deal, even for this year. But we're getting there, for this year.
-Andy |
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Subject : Re:NAIP changes..
12/21/2018 04:33:15 PM
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Philip S. Worrall |
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Not at all rhetorical - didn't know there was a difference between "authorized
to be appropriated" an "appropriated". Thanks for the clarification! |
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